Prophetic Warning Against Obama Presidency?
October 24, 2008 | 31 Comments
10/24/08: Prophetic Warning Against Obama Presidency?
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As promised in the broadcast tonight, here are the links to some of the material we discussed dealing with Senator Obama:
- Article from James Dobson’s organization warning about dire consequences if Obama becomes president: http://wnd.com/files/Focusletter.pdf; summary of article: http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78840.
- Article from black pianist Huntley Brown: www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/huntleybrown.asp.
- Obama’s letter to gay activist organization in July: http://www.alicebtoklas.org/abt/index.asp (scroll down for the actual letter); for Michelle Obama’s speech to gay activists at the Democratic Convention in August, see: http://www.365gay.com/news/michelle-obama-speaks-to-glbt-delegates/
- Obama’s gay agenda: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78739.
- Joe Biden opposes male-female marriage bill in California, calling it “regressive”: http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid64207.asp
- Obama’s real views on abortion and infanticide: http://www.bornalivetruth.org/.
Note that some of these websites are not Christian; this way you can hear what gay activists themselves say about Obama and Biden.
I remind all of you again that this is not a matter of race, gender, or political affiliation. This is an issue of morality, so please weigh the information here accordingly.
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October 25th, 2008 @ 1:42 am
So many people are voting for Obama simply to do away with the idea of anyone even remotely imitating George Bush and probably republican politics for that matter. Listening to Obama’s views are hardly considered by people voting for him. They just like the fact that he presents “change” in every sense of the word. I get this picture in my mind of people mindlessly voting for Obama being like Jesus’ accusers insisting that Pilot release Barrabas and crucify Jesus. You know like “but Obama believes in gay rights, supports abortion, is affiliated with Ayers, Acorn, and so on” and his supporters are like “who cares, vote Obama, vote Obama, vote Obama….”. Similar to “but Jesus has not committed any crime”, and his accusers ignore this and just continue shouting louder “crucify, crucify, crucify….”
October 25th, 2008 @ 9:42 am
im a christian from northern ireland and follow the elections in the US i am very concerned about Obama becoming PRESIDENT because of these marriage issues and the trickle down effect this could have on other countries i Hope christians aren’t deceived int voting with their wallets
October 26th, 2008 @ 8:04 am
Words of wisdom from Mark Steyn:
Point of No Return
October 26th, 2008 @ 5:38 pm
Do you think it is a sin to vote for Obama?
(I’m not going to vote for him; I’m just curious.)
October 26th, 2008 @ 6:25 pm
Yvette, I think that would depend on the intention of the heart of the voter. All sin originates on the inside and is manifested through the actions of the sinner. If we were to vote for Obama out of sinful motives, then that would be considered sin, I would think. So if thru a clean conscience we vote for Obama, that is, we think it the best choice based on our understanding of his words describing his political views and aspirations for this country, then no. This is why we need God’s word; it is clear and righteous instruction. Any pastor worth listening to bases his sermon on the word of God, not what he himself determines to be good, and challenges us to verify for ourselves his correct teaching, (hermeneutic). This Holy book is some of, and perhaps the best, evidence for His existence. For those who say, “where is God, why doesn’t he show Himself to us”? I say that He has, He wrote a book. Doesn’t God say, “My Word is sufficient”? Based on this principal, I could not vote for him, (Obama), his political views have been defined well enough, we know what he, Obama, advocates. Hope that helps
October 26th, 2008 @ 6:33 pm
Yvette, I needed to correct a sentence. it should have read; Any pastor worth listening to bases his sermon on the word of God, and challenges us to verify for ourselves his correct teaching, (hermeneutic). sorry for that, rick
October 26th, 2008 @ 9:17 pm
Does it really matter who is in office, I know you all would like to think “yes”, but this world is coming to an end; we are on El Shaddai’s clock and for those who think they can “buy” us some extra time, have seen too many Hollywood movies where the Devil’s agenda gets postponed. But what you fail to realize is that Samael also has to wait, or ask Him permission so that he is “allowed” to do it.
October 26th, 2008 @ 9:19 pm
Oh, in addition to what I wrote, to answer my question to you guys: No, it doesn’t matter, whoever is in office will push the main themed agenda forward regardless…you can’t prolong the inevitable.
October 26th, 2008 @ 9:55 pm
Ryan,
There is definitely truth to what you say. Yes, regardless of who’s in office, the Lord’s purposes will prevail as according to His Word in due time. However, I am a bit cautious to raise the question you asked “does it really matter?”. With that type of reasoning, one might argue does it really matter to evangelize the lost since God has already predestined His Elect? I don’t think “buying time” as you mentioned is the issue. It’s a matter of us exercising responsibility. I see where you’re coming from though.
October 27th, 2008 @ 12:09 am
Is this not theological fatalism? It sounds more like Islamic theology – Whatever happens is the will of Allah.
October 27th, 2008 @ 12:39 am
LA Times Hiding Incriminating Video of Obama with Radical Palestinian?
October 27th, 2008 @ 2:28 am
Well it would it would seem to be saying that God is the author of human evil and so therefore our fate is unavoidable. God as a cosmic puppeteer. If this is true then none of us has a personal responsibility for our actions, then God is the source of human evil. I don’t think that’s what Ryan is saying, it’s more likely he’s just expressing frustration because we’re living in exceedingly sinful times and he is saying, “What’s the use? It’s going to happen anyway.” I feel that way too sometimes. Be of good cheer Ryan, God is not the author of our damnation, He’s the provider and instrument of our salvation. Satan has already been defeated, we have Calvary. Yes we are sinful, but we’re the origins for that sin. We create it, not God. Is it possible for humanity to postpone the judgment? Absolutely, we have need of revival, the word itself means to restore. That’s why it’s so important to witness and strive to be made righteous. This I do know, if we belong to Him then He guides our conscience and we war within ourselves. The unsaved call this Christian guilt. This guilt is a good sign; it shows the process of sanctification is at work. Satan’s only real power is his influence, that’s why Paul is instructing us to put on the armor in Ephesians. Ryan, we must do all that we can, especially now more than ever. I’m sure your familiar with Daniel, but I’m pasting the 12th chapter here anyway. I hope I don’t come across like a “know it all” , Sincerely, Rick
12:1 “At that time Michael,
the great prince who watches over your people,1
will arise.2
There will be a time of distress
unlike any other from the nation’s beginning3
up to that time.
But at that time your own people,
all those whose names are4 found written in the book,
will escape.
12:2 Many of those who sleep
in the dusty ground will awake –
some to everlasting life,
and others to shame and everlasting abhorrence.5
12:3 But the wise will shine
like the brightness of the heavenly expanse.
And those bringing many to righteousness
will be like the stars forever and ever.
12:4 “But you, Daniel, close up these words and seal the book until the time of the end. Many will dash about,6 and knowledge will increase.”
12:5 I, Daniel, watched as two others stood there, one on each side of the river.7 12:6 One said to the man clothed in linen who was above the waters of the river, “When will the end of these wondrous events occur?” 12:7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen who was over the waters of the river as he raised both his right and left hands to the sky8 and made an oath by the one who lives forever: “It is for a time, times, and half a time. Then, when the power of the one who shatters9 the holy people has been exhausted, all these things will be finished.”
12:8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I said, “Sir,10 what will happen after these things?” 12:9 He said, “Go, Daniel. For these matters are closed and sealed until the time of the end. 12:10 Many will be purified, made clean, and refined, but the wicked will go on being wicked. None of the wicked will understand, though the wise will understand. 12:11 From the time that the daily sacrifice is removed and the abomination that causes desolation is set in place,11 there are 1,290 days. 12:12 Blessed is the one who waits and attains to the 1,335 days. 12:13 But you should go your way12 until the end.13 You will rest and then at the end of the days you will arise to receive14 what you have been allotted.”15
October 27th, 2008 @ 6:00 am
I find it interesting hearing the testimonies of Obama-supporters, especially that of Colin Powell. It seems that many people are voting for Obama based on his character, charisma, and ethnicity. Even in the case of Colin Powell, who still refers to the GOP as “my party”-plans to vote for Obama on these terms.
There seems to be a deliberate avoiding of issues that Obama stands for from these swing voters, including from apparently high-ranking officials.
Isn’t it strange? When asked about the subject directly–the majority of Americans are against gay marriage, but if and when bans on gay marriage are lifted, it will be through the democratic process by indirect means.
Shouldn’t we be concerned that the processes by which Hitler came to power still remain influential in our decision-making? That personality, reputation, charisma, and character play such a large role in politics that they can ultimately undo policies that would otherwise fail.
October 27th, 2008 @ 6:37 am
Dr. Dobson Talks with Gov. Sarah Palin
The Republican vice presidential candidate talks about her family, the sanctity of human life and the pressures of the election season. Dr. Dobson encourages listeners to pray for our country as the election draws near.
Interview can be heard here.
October 27th, 2008 @ 10:44 am
Great comments guys.
Just a question, do the amish vote?
October 27th, 2008 @ 10:48 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish
This says some vote.
October 27th, 2008 @ 3:23 pm
you have a dual responsibility, you have to be responsible for yourself and your actoins for now and the end, but simultaniously. You have to prepare yourself for the bride/groom, but you are also in charge of today and how you will clense yourself in the here and now.
October 27th, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
Yvette,
Thanks.
October 27th, 2008 @ 6:08 pm
Ryan
I agree with both you and Rick. You’re both speaking truth except seeing different sides to the same coin. There’s inevitability in regards to no matter what people vote, God’s will shall be done. The nations are really his enemies even if the talk as if they are with him. An example is the U.K. which is meant to be a christian country but is far from it. Its just another nation just like Iran, the same goes for the U.S. God differentiates between His children who are in the world and the world. The same way he differentiated between the Israelites and the Egyptians. Just because a country has a large proportion of christians doesn’t mean its christian. It would have to be a theocracy to be christian. It can however be a nation full of christians which because of the large christian influence even reflects some christian ideals. But at the end of the day its not part of the Kingdom of God. Sorry if I drifted off track. Inevitability, though God’s will shall be done we as His servants are to also do His will, otherwise we are lazy servants and places would be alloted for us amongst the unbelievers. We must work in other words. The elect angels don’t say “oh because God is all powerful we can chill all day and do nothing.” They serve God by doing his will. God uses his servants to fulfill his purposes because he empowers them by His Spirit. Thats why the disciple’s had to wait until the Spirit fell and they were clothed with power to go out and start working. Its not by might or strength but by His Spirit. So at the end of the day the Glory is God’s because He was working through us (his vessels). And because we are faithful God rewards us even though as bondservants simply serving Him should be enough in itself.
That said, its not just the U.S. that is getting more liberal. Most of the western world is going that way. In many ways America is late, Holland is an extreme case of godlessness, drugs, sexual promiscuity, homosexual marriage etc.
October 28th, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
So, the proof is in the pudding. It seems folks are so dissatisfied with the status quo that they will bury their minds in the soil of malcontent just to elect “change”, without considering the total ramifications. Dissatisfied with the prevalent usery acceptance of greed by the policies which permitted the current economic response climate, dissatisfied with PR being paramount to the facemask of related organizations, with which many invested, dissatisfied with the temporary and transitory nature of a society whos loyalties shift with the polls, dissatisfied with false causalities associated with a real 9-11 response as to getting in very deep in Iraq, dissatisfied with pop culture even presenting its related churches and personality intensified leadership profiles, dissatisfied with housing square footage increases valued over increased family sizes of decades back?
As in Iraq, we deserve the leadership we elect, have, and its reflection of our own values. Is it time to adhere to seeking the face of God while He may be found? How do the Sermon on the Mount, the Ten Commandments, and the New Commandment come into play in all these matters? Is information alone, and opinion by itself the stuff of empowerment to change? How does the present media climate render Christian impotencies for being salt and light as simply one more dissipated wordy bombardment> Why did Alexander S., who has had no mention on Line of Fire as to his passing, the renowned voice of modern Christian conscience, distrust the West? What has become so engrained with our Marketing culture’s values that we simply do not want that kind of message in our face, in our path, nor in our contemplation of change?
October 30th, 2008 @ 1:56 am
I find it funny that we should all vote republican. I still haven’t seen the republicans reverse the Abortion bills passed. Nothing has changed over the last 8 years in regards to the assault on moral values and the family. Homosexuality is more accepted today in America and the Church than it was 8 years ago. Political corruption has brought on a financial crisis of epic proportions. Immorality has invaded our churches at an increasing rate. Social drinking, living together, sex before marriage are not addressed anymore in our pulpits. Just because George Bush says he is a Christian, doesn’t mean he is one. As one living outside of America, I really don’t see any difference between the 2 parties other than the catchy sound bites that they use. The republican party has still turned your country into a police state in little less than 7 years. If you truly had a real choice, there should be multiple parties involved in politics, so you wouldn’t have to just pick the lesser of 2 evils.
October 30th, 2008 @ 2:14 am
Byron,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You raise some important questions, to be sure, but I am curious to know what you mean by the Republican party turning America into a police state. Could you expand on the “police state” comment? Thanks!
October 30th, 2008 @ 3:11 am
I just found this and it is a bit inflammatory, and disturbing, but I’m curious what the rest of you think. Wrestled with my conscience because it is a really strong attempt to demonize Obama, but I’ll let you all make your own conclusions. Let me just say this, why isn’t there more interest in Obama’s associations? That’s what puzzles me.
http://www.citizenslim.com
October 30th, 2008 @ 3:31 am
Dear Byron, as for the abortion legislation being passed it isn’t for lack of trying. The courts have ruled wrongly and it is very frustrating. Who would’ve thought that a minor child would be able to have an abortion without parental consent or notification? It almost seems like your blaming the Republican Party for the Gay marriage issues, and the immorality of the people as a whole. All of the societal ills you mentioned are preached against, quite often by the pastor of the church I attend. If you have a specific ill I will research it and give you the specific sermon. You can download and listen to these sermons by going to http://www3.calvarychapel.com/escondido/ and in particular the sermons of pastor Miles DeBenedictis, sincerely rick
October 30th, 2008 @ 7:12 am
I don’t buy into “theological fatalism”, but choose, I hope, for pragmatism.
I believe that God judges a nation in part on the actions of its leader(s). So not only to we want a capable leader, but one who will follow God. And it is not just a Presidency at stake, but our Congress… all of the House and 1/3 of the Senate. No candidate is perfect, but its fairly easy to decide between the options. The one who most closely follows God should be chosen. But we have no assurance that whom we choose will win. And we should not expect any assurance. God does not ask us to win. He does not ask that we admire or even like the prospective candidate. He does not ask us to identify with a political party. He asks us to choose. In my opinion, no matter who is elected for President, there will be ample need for prayer for our new leader. In my goal of pragmatism, I want to be able to have the peace of knowing that my choice is for God, not for a person, or a party, or the promise of comfort and affluence.
Political tactics, mudslinging, and demonizing aside… I ask, rhetorically, who is most closely aligned with God?
October 31st, 2008 @ 9:47 pm
Here’s a great bit of commentary on Obama:
Full article here.
October 31st, 2008 @ 10:19 pm
that was a great article! thanks for posting that Ewan
November 1st, 2008 @ 12:58 am
I concur… thanks for posting the article, Ewan.
November 1st, 2008 @ 9:16 am
The author of that article, David Warren, really knows what he’s talking about. Christians know that man is a sinner and that the purpose of civil government is to restrain evil and provide justice so as to facilitate a civil society, not attempt to bring about some kind of utopia in this world. Christians understand the true nature of man in a way that the humanists don’t. We know that man is inherently sinful and can only be changed through the Gospel not through legislation, nevertheless legislation is necessary for the purpose of achieving an outward compliance to a level of morality necessary for society to function. No government and no law = anarchy and no society.
The humanists think man evolved, is inherently good, and is a work in progress toward perfection. They think this perfection can be facilitated by government policy. That’s why they favour socialism and all kinds of laws which go beyond regulating outward behaviour and attempt to regulate what we think and say through the use of all kinds of anti-discrimination and anti-(so called)-hate speech legislation. It is a form of salvation-by-law, which ironically is exactly what the secular humanists accuse the Christian theonomists of trying to do.
November 3rd, 2008 @ 3:51 am
This is absolutely crazy. Now Obama is claiming to have a “righteous wind” at his back! His personal views on things like abortion and same-sex marriage are about as unrighteous as it is possible to get and yet he has the audacity to claim to be benefiting from a righteous wind. I’m just absolutely astounded with his disconnect from reality.
November 4th, 2008 @ 2:52 am
What did Jesus say moved hearts toward him, and captured hearts to not even hear him?