18 Responses to “Who Determines the Outcome of the Elections?”

1. Joshua Tiberend
   October 28th, 2008 @ 2:47 pm

   If Christians believe that neither candidate is the perfect choice – why settle for the status quo? Shouldn’t we do something Revolutionary? For example, we could try to get “None of the Above” added to the ballot. (Jesse Ventura’s idea) He suggests that voting this way would show that we care about the vote but don’t agree with the two candidates. Just an Idea.

2. Marcus French
   October 28th, 2008 @ 5:25 pm

   The perfect choice? That’s quite a high standard. What president has ever met that criteria?

3. john
   October 28th, 2008 @ 9:44 pm

   One of the callers made a good point that we reap what we sow.
   In that light how we pray becomes very important.If Obama is as some see a sign of God judging America then he could very well be the fruit of all the bad seeds sown.In that case just praying for God’s will or choice will not help.There is a deeper underlying problem that needs to be adressed.It is sin.
   We need to start repenting of the sins of Amercia as if our own ,including our own sins.Then maybe God will show mercy on the Land and hold back some of the consequences.As our God is a righteous God and we need to seek Him in the way He can answer us.
   Also i think whatever it is God’s will shall be done needs to be taken into
   context.For there is God’s perfect will , permissible will and “not His will”.
   He does appoint rulers however He appoints them according to His Righteousness and according to the way people respond.So it might not be His will at all yet He can appoint somebody for His Righteousness demands that with no intercessor to plead.

4. Joshua Tiberend
   October 28th, 2008 @ 9:54 pm

   I believe you missed the whole point of what I meant. I used perfect because Dr. Brown used it on the show. Perfect probably wasn’t the best word. What I mean is a candidate I feel satisfied with, and that I feel is the best choice. How about “agree with” or “best, better or good”. Not to draw too much attention to a word but rather to Christians settling for the status quo. The publicized Two party system. Many Christians do not agree that either candidate is the best choice for America. They think they are stuck with no alternatives and are forced to vote the two party system. It’s about choosing what is best and not just settling because I have no other options. I believe in doing everything to the best of my ability.(Col. 3:23) Just my opinion. I think that if I’m not happy with my choices of candidates there should be None of the above. “And I’m sure that it might win some of the time.” – Jesse Ventura

   Another thing, there actually are a whole lot of other candidates running, but the media doesn’t give them equal time. For example, when there is a major debate, only the 2 main parties are represented. That’s so biased, and misleading to the voters. It sends a clear message: “Don’t even consider taking these other guys seriously. They’ll never get voted in anyway”. I see this as one of the major problems.

   So we settle. Let’s see who might be the lesser of two evils. I hate that. That’s not what the church is called to do.

   Maybe there’s other ideas out there that we could do as citizens.

5. Ryan Dube
   October 28th, 2008 @ 10:36 pm

   I have to agree with you Marcus!

6. rick
   October 29th, 2008 @ 4:17 am

   It’s these questions that can cause a crisis of faith. WHY ARE only a handful saved? On the surface it would appear that God prefers quality over quantity. How come so many perish? Is it fair for God to remain quiet while allowing such a potent enemy to ravage His creation? This is the fodder of the atheists. I know this, once saved always saved, and the answer to these questions can maybe be found at the end of John;
   21:18 I tell you the solemn truth,45 when you were young, you tied your clothes around you46 and went wherever you wanted, but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and others will tie you up47 and bring you where you do not want to go.” 21:19 (Now Jesus48 said this to indicate clearly by what kind of death Peter49 was going to glorify God.)50 After he said this, Jesus told Peter,51 “Follow me.”
   Peter and the Disciple Jesus Loved
   21:20 Peter turned around and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them.52 (This was the disciple53 who had leaned back against Jesus’54 chest at the meal and asked,55 “Lord, who is the one who is going to betray you?”)56 21:21 So when Peter saw him,57 he asked Jesus, “Lord, what about him?” 21:22 Jesus replied,58 “If I want him to live59 until I come back,60 what concern is that of yours? You follow me!” 21:23 So the saying circulated61 among the brothers and sisters62 that this disciple was not going to die. But Jesus did not say to him that he was not going to die, but rather, “If I want him to live63 until I come back,64 what concern is that of yours?”
   It always seems to come back to this desire to be absolved of personal responsibility and make the argument of justification, and this is rooted in original sin.

   3:11 And the Lord God28 said, “Who told you that you were naked?29 Did you eat from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”30 3:12 The man said, “The woman whom you gave me, she gave31 me some fruit32 from the tree and I ate it.”

   Atheists always, as the cornerstone of their argument point to the perception of fairness when questioning God, Always they say, “I will never worship a megalomaniac”, but is this true, is God a Tyrant. How can he be? They’re lives are self-contradicting; they do as they will and God merely pleads through their conscience, “Choose life”. If they lacked a conscience then they could say “God is unfair”. It takes a sincere desire to commit sin and a prolonged period engaged in this sin to sear the conscience. Seems more than fair to me.

7. rick
   October 29th, 2008 @ 4:45 am

   Notice also that God always reacts to human sin to correct human government, and His desires for us are pure. The master (GOD) never beats the slave (human government) proactively. It’s always in response to seriously wrong behavior, and then HE doesn’t do the beating, HE allows Satan to do it. (Satan is always orchestrating sin; he encourages evil men to do what their hearts already desire.) ever notice how sin surely and inexorably always leads to depravity? When something dies, (sin), it then decays and becomes putrid, (depravity). see the link between the spiritual and the physical? I welcome all points of view, if I’m in error please be critical. thanks

8. Ewan
   October 29th, 2008 @ 8:12 am

   I note that the Dutch Sheets prayer alert mentioned on this show is to be found on his website.

9. john
   October 29th, 2008 @ 11:11 am

   (The master (GOD) never beats the slave (human government) proactively. It’s always in response to seriously wrong behavior, and then HE doesn’t do the beating, HE allows Satan to do it. (Satan is always orchestrating sin; he encourages evil men to do what their hearts already desire.) ever notice how sin surely and inexorably always leads to depravity)

   Hi Rick
   I just want to understand you properly here before sharing some thoughts,are you saying that whenever man does something wrong God always allows Satan to do the punishing but He dosent do it?

   Thanks
   John

10. rick
    October 29th, 2008 @ 3:17 pm

    Hello John, thank you for responding. The context for my thoughts was God dealing with society through human government (implementation of leaders), and not necessarily at the individual level, although there is Job, and I know that there are going to be A LOT of differing views on this, and I may not have spent enough time thinking about this before I put it out. Also the mental imagery is a bit vivid, with slavery and masters, but the bible itself uses these terms. This is a great big can of worms…..
    Sincerely, Rick

11. john
    October 29th, 2008 @ 6:53 pm

    Hi Rick
    Thanks for clarifying,my thoughts were on a little different line as to whether God punishes people or the devil brings destruction.
    Blessings
    John

12. Ewan
    October 30th, 2008 @ 7:39 am

    I’m not sure I totally agree with the idea that we shouldn’t pray for a specific candidate. Personally, when praying in a public environment like at a church prayer meeting, I feel not to pray for a candidate by name, but in my private prayers I certainly do pray for specific candidates, but I usually like to end with “nevertheless not my will but yours be done”.

    If we take Dr Brown’s advice to not pray for the success of a specific candidate, then to be consistent shouldn’t we also abstain from voting? Because it could be that we end up voting against God’s will.

13. Ewan
    October 30th, 2008 @ 7:42 am

    I’m not sure I totally agree with the idea that we shouldn’t pray for a specific candidate. Personally, when praying in a public environment like at a church prayer meeting, I feel not to pray for a candidate by name, but in my private prayers I certainly do pray for specific candidates, but I usually like to end with “nevertheless not my will but yours be done”.

    If we take Dr Brown’s advice to not pray for the success of a specific candidate, then to be consistent shouldn’t we also abstain from voting? Because it could be that we end up voting against God’s will.

14. rick
    October 31st, 2008 @ 7:05 pm

    I agree with you completely Ewan, if we wouldn’t pray for a candidate to win an election, then why on earth would we go and vote for him? We need to become more involved not less.

15. Ewan
    October 31st, 2008 @ 7:33 pm

    Yes Rick, and the other reason for my thinking is because I’m directly involved in a Christian political party even standing as a candidate a couple of times. So what am I going to do – not pray for my own success?!

16. rick
    October 31st, 2008 @ 10:58 pm

    I hear you brother, I’ve just been trying to help some of our liberal atheist brothers understand that morality is not a human invention, that the moral code is evidence for the unseen God, and that his laws are indeed self evident as Paul says in Romans. His fingerprints are visible upon our hearts, so that men are without excuse. The whims of men change as often as the seasons, and if this moral code was the musings of men we’d surely see the erosion of this code over time. The God of Creation states quite clearly; I am the Lord God I do not change. 10 simple laws, one for the finger of each hand, carried upon stone tablets by both hands of Moses. Perfect in every way, they cannot be added to or subtracted from. A reflection of the law giver and an accurate mirror that reveals who we are, when we examine ourselves in them… I’m always baffled by the secular view that adopts or attempts to wear the robes of His moral law, while disavowing or failing to acknowledge the moral law Giver. I am accused quite often of practicing magic by way of explaining existence thru God, but as I explain myself further they come to the realization that not only do I profess to know of the wand but also the wand waver, and that’s something the blind watchmaker cannot supply. They only have the wand! Funny isn’t it how much humanity takes for granted? My favorite line that when I hear it gives me instant access to turn the topic to the spiritual is, “nothing in life is free”. Really? I’ll ask them. I’m pretty sure that air we’re breathing is free. What a conversation starter! God bless you Ewan, your brother Rick

17. rick
    October 31st, 2008 @ 11:02 pm

    i’m praying for your sucess Ewan. God bless, sincerely Rick

18. Ewan
    October 31st, 2008 @ 11:53 pm

    Thanks Rick. Where I live there isn’t another state or federal election due until 2010.

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