10 Responses to “Israel’s War with Hamas”

1. Eric Gilmour
   December 30th, 2008 @ 3:04 pm

   Concerning Israel’s war with Hamas and conflict with Arabs; Is Israel even supposed to be in the Land in disobedience? Isn’t all of this conflict a result of their disobedience (Duet. 28)? Just as in the law, if a man killed another man, innocently, he had to flee the land for seven years or else he could be killed on sight, with no penalty. But after seven years, he could return and be free from his own penatly. Israel has slain Christ, ignorantly, now they must flee the land for a complete period of time and if they remain they are in tremendous danger.

   Is this a correct view?

2. Mwiya
   December 30th, 2008 @ 7:22 pm

   Eric,

   Though I believe that the Jewish expulsion from the land of Israel starting AD70 and also in 135AD was a result of the majority of the people of Israel not listening to that prophet who was like unto Moses, the issue is a little more complex. Moses predicted the diaspora’s and the prophet’s confirmed this. Jeremiah’s ministry had this as a main feature, and Daniel predicted Jerusalem would be swept over again and Ezekiel prophesied that in latter times the people of Israel would be returned to their land. All these themes are found in the Torah itself, perticularly the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Deuteronomy 28, and 32 have loads of details on this as you said. Its because of their unbelief and rebellion against God, which is why Jesus wept so much over Jerusalem. What had been foretold would happen because scripture can not be broken. That said as Paul did say all Israel will be saved, all the things prophesied about Israel in the last days must come to pass before this crooked generation passes away and only the righteous remnant remains.

   The current strife in the land of Israel especially gaza is an issue of land. The muslims claim they have a right to it, and the Jewish people have the same claim. The difference is that one claim is untrue whilst the other is true (the jewish claim being backed by The Holy Scriptures). Whilst I personally think that the correct way to handle the issue would be to show Love to the “palestinian” peoples. I also realize that Israel is behaving as any worldly nation would if it were put in the position Israel is in. Which is why the current wave of anti-semitism that has surged after Israel has retaliated against hammas makes no sense. If the U.S. was rocketed by a foreign nation or group it would most likely do as Israel has done, as would Iran etc. It doesn’t make the bloodshed right, it just makes the action Israel took understandable (in a worldly way). We shouldn’t be surprised at this because Israel is currently a secular state. We should pray for the peace of Jerusalem as believers because ultimately this prayer sounds something like “Maranatha.” That city will only see True Peace when The Prince of Peace, Jesus the Messiah comes to rule over the nations with an Iron rod, with His saints with Him. Though she is rebellious at the moment, Israel will be restored we ought to pray for that.

   Thats my opinion at least! What do you think

3. Mwiya
   December 30th, 2008 @ 7:32 pm

   Forgot to mention, there is no excuse for what hamas has done. There is a spiritual darkness behind this hate for the jewish nation. It is the same hatred that almost wiped the people out during the reign of Xerxes, but by His providence God provided Esther to rescue the people. It is the same hatred that has caused many nations to hate the jewish people. Yet this to was foretold in the Torah. It doesn’t however excuse the hatred.

   Maranatha!

4. Mwiya
   December 30th, 2008 @ 8:30 pm

   Israel has done what any other nation in the world has done. The media is portraying this in a completely unrealistic way! If America was in Israel’s shoes it would probably act in the same fashion as would most other nation even Iran who is using this as an opportunity to incite hatred against the people of Israel. That said, the Biblical way for Israel to handle this would be to Love their enemies and lay coals on the heads of their enemies. That said, Israel is a secular state. Thus we should not expect the nation to be what we wish it were. We should pray for the peace of Jerusalem as ultimately this prayer is a cry for the Lord to come soon. Praying for the peace of Jerusalem is to pray for the salvation of The people of Israel to fulfill what Paul wrote “all Israel shall be saved.” That said we do know, that there are real eschatological issues to keep in mind. True and lasting peace in Israel and the world also, will only come when The Lord comes with all his saints and destroys His enemies.

5. Dr Michael L Brown
   December 31st, 2008 @ 6:32 pm

   Eric,

   In accordance with Ezek 36, God has brought the Jewish people back to the Land in unbelief, for His name’s sake, and it is there He will have mercy on them. The return to the Land is from the Lord, and He will ultilmately reconcile and deliver and save His people!

6. Bill Fawcett
   January 2nd, 2009 @ 12:05 pm

   >Israel has slain Christ

   Eric, Christ was slain before the foundations of the world.

7. Joshua Harris
   January 3rd, 2009 @ 2:04 pm

   Bill,
   there is universal complicity in the death of Jesus. you’re right, the first culprit is the whole Godhead in that He was the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world.
   2nd, Jesus willingly laid down His life in that He was doing the will of the Father, and being led by the Spirit. so it was the Godhead’s doing in eternity, and then in time.
   3rd, satanic complicity: 1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
   4th, fallen humanity’s willful rebellion, both Jew and Gentile, and especially this gentile who was granted repentance.

8. Joshua Tiberend
   January 4th, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

   Ron Paul Condemns Israeli invasion of Gaza

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3vrKG3vyqQ

   I was wondering if anyone see this video?

9. Michael
   January 4th, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

   Just watched the Ron Paul video. Concerning Israel’s attacks, he believes that the U.S. should not get involved, but I think we have don’t have a choice if we’re part of the United Nations. The U.S. decided to ignore a cease-fire while the other United Nations were for it. Cease-fires in this part of the world are usually only a temporary solution it seems (almost like a slap on the hand), so Israel is working to remove the root of the problem, a problem that has continued despite numerous past cease-fires. Ron Paul would most likely argue that the U.S. should not even be a part of the United Nations. He does not like the idea of globalization, and he trys to strictly go by the U.S. Constitution. He makes some good points though. He says the U.S. should not try to police the world, which puts us in further debt; he says it’s not our job to do that. He’s made the point that globalization has in many ways infected the Constitution and has been leading to our country’s decline. Ron Paul doesn’t like to work on the outside mainly because it disrupts what the Constitution was meant for. I wonder if he’s got a point though because somewhere in the mix are the works of mixing politics and religion. I might be missing something and leaving a lot out, but I wonder if only the Church led by the Holy Spirit should be involved in positively changing foreign affairs, and not getting our politics involved.

10. Joshua Harris
    January 4th, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

    I watched the video too and it got me thinking: is this the reason America is suspiciously absent from end times Bible prophecy? Some of the cause and effect of policing the world, ever increasing national debt to pay for it, weakening dollar and inflation, among some other things he mentioned… are these things ultimately going to weaken America to the point where US influence becomes an international non issue? I am just wondering.
    Also, Rep. Paul has stated that Israel has a right to exist and defend herself, he just doesn’t think US influence -financial or otherwise- does anything but make things worse; he thinks we should have a totally non interventionist foreign policy.

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