And if you want to know for a fact – the three commandments in Acts 15:28-29 were the regular commandments for people who wanted to attend the synagogues – these commandments were NOT a new idea of the Apostles!

First you learn the three commandments – then you learn the ten commandments – and finally you shlould grow up to know the whole Word of Yahweh!

Hebrews 5:10-13
“named by God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek. 5:11 About him we have many words to say, and hard to interpret, seeing you have become dull of hearing. 5:12 For although by this time you should be teachers, you again need to have someone teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God. You have come to need milk, and not solid food. 5:13 For everyone who lives on milk is not experienced in the word of righteousness, for he is a baby. 5:14 But solid food is for those who are full grown, who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern good and evil. ”

Also Peter states CLEARLY in 2.Peter 3:16
“In those (letters of Paul), there are some things that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unsettled twist, as they also do to the Scriptures, to their own destruction.” – So we have to learn the scriptures – the TORAH dear Jabez – or what Scriptures was Peter talking about???

If we don’t recognize that the message of Yeshua starts in GENESIS already, we have our heads FULL of Replacement Theology!

Luke 24:25-27
“He said to them, “Foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 24:26 Didn’t the Messiah have to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” 24:27 Beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he explained to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.”

If we don’t know Yeshua from the BEGINNING ON we will finally come up with “another Jesus” – the replacement of little Tammuz who was born on December 25th and for whom you have to do a forty-day lent (because he died at age 40 in an hunting accident) before you honor his mother the sex-godess Easter
who allegedly after her death landed in the Euphrates river in a giant egg which broke open, she stepped out if it and as a sign of her divinity turned a flying bird into an egg-laying rabbit, which resulted in the practice of dying eggs in the blood of sacrificed children in her honor.

It seems like we deal with the issues you raised, then you reraise them as though no interchange on these matters happened here, thus ignoring the evidence from scripture you were given on these matters altogether. Dialogue, not monologue, is the stuff of iron sharpening iron.

So they were made WITH certain people, but FOR everybody. It is understandable though, that the Jews have seperated themselves from other peoples in order to not get assimilated, since the “FOR everybody” can only come about through Yeshua – through His supernatural power to change the lives of people.

So there is no “Torah-group” and “without-Torah-group” in the body of Messiah – we ALL should follow YHWH’s Law in Spirit and Truth. Or does anybody want to tell me that the oracles of God are not ment for Gentiles??? Thank you very much – this is indeed racism! Sorry, this is not meant to be mean in any way – but I guess some Messianics don’t have a clue what they are saying when they are saying that kind of stuff. It is just as if they would say: “Yeshua is not meant for Gentiles!”.

Secondly, these 144,000 wil certainly play the role of “turning the hearts of the children to the hearts of the fathers (Malachi 4:6)
Thus they will be missionaries IN reconciling different people groups – those groups that always thought “this covenant is only for the Jews” – this will be their true mission. As I said – they will bring about the change of Zechariah 14:16-19.

I think it is always great to work together with people in Israel, but it’s not wrong to use our own brain either. There are no covenants that are exclusively made for certain people groups. All the covenants that were made were made for the purpose of spreading God’s Kingdom all over the earth – for EVERYBODY!!! I also laid this out in my last response to the December 21 discussion.

In Genesis 18:19 we read:
“For I have known him, to the end that he may command his children and his household after him, that they may keep the way of the LORD, to do righteousness and justice.”

God chose Abraham as a means of establishing His Kingdom on earth. Abraham was the beginning, Yeshua will accomplish it.

These are man-made walls that Yeshua came to break down (Ephesians 2:14), what you also can see in the event of Cornelius. Anybody who wants to keep Torah is free to do it, and the One who approves this is God by pooring out His Spirit. The approval comes from God, not from man.

http://www.revive-israel.org/2010/01-03-praying-for-revival-in-israel.html

This year’s articles from Asher are telling of what is occurring now in terms of vision and plan for redemption.

We can speculate where Asher Intrater has developed considerable prayerful research and development from scripture and living faith communities in Israel on this calling for those of the tribes. Bo seems to want what he quoted from Deut. to extend as a standard to all people of belief everywhere. Since the plan of redemption for Israel in the last days, final events, is predetermined and vital to the return, it may be wise to hear what the Spirit is saying to the saints today in the beautiful Land. Acts. 3:21 ia also in play in the matter. And He, not we, is in charge of His plan of redemption, a reflection of the wisdom of that cited community.

I have studied the nuances of the oral vs. written law in the season of the visitation. Again, John 8 is dealing with the hearts of the critics, not their beliefs, for, they have rejected the Sent One. This is not so much about oral vs. written but it is about the receptivity or lack and what the price was. I think of Yeshua in that interchange as informing the other audience, i.e. the readers of the conflict and His assertion of identity, i.e. those of us of faith reading the scriptures and believing in Him.