Comments on: February 3, 2010 http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2010/02/03/february-3-2010/ Revolutionary Radio with Dr. Michael Brown Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:25:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Yizrael http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2010/02/03/february-3-2010/comment-page-2/#comment-14824 Yizrael Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:03:25 +0000 http://lineoffireradio.askdrbrown.org/?p=2182#comment-14824 I see alot of comments regarding the speaking of tongues. I wonder if anyone has ever considered I Samuel 10. Could that have anything to do with tongues? I see alot of comments regarding the speaking of tongues. I wonder if anyone has ever considered I Samuel 10. Could that have anything to do with tongues?

]]> By: Yizrael http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2010/02/03/february-3-2010/comment-page-2/#comment-14823 Yizrael Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:42:38 +0000 http://lineoffireradio.askdrbrown.org/?p=2182#comment-14823 "Alienation" I tried a search for matters regarding your thoughts on Israel and the Israeli situation, but could not come up with any results. That was the reason for the post, because if I could find your personal stance on the current situation brewing in Israel, it would be easier for an Israeli to identify with you. I also added that it might not be your calling to reach out to the Israeli. Was only hoping to find some personal identity with the "Israeli". Would definately appreciate it if you could point me towards such articles if any. Again, I'm in total agreement with you. Thanks again Yizrael “Alienation”
I tried a search for matters regarding your thoughts on Israel and the Israeli situation, but could not come up with any results. That was the reason for the post, because if I could find your personal stance on the current situation brewing in Israel, it would be easier for an Israeli to identify with you. I also added that it might not be your calling to reach out to the Israeli. Was only hoping to find some personal identity with the “Israeli”. Would definately appreciate it if you could point me towards such articles if any.
Again, I’m in total agreement with you.
Thanks again
Yizrael

]]> By: Ben KC http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2010/02/03/february-3-2010/comment-page-2/#comment-14472 Ben KC Sun, 07 Feb 2010 07:33:21 +0000 http://lineoffireradio.askdrbrown.org/?p=2182#comment-14472 Also wanted to add, there is nothing that says we have to pray in English so going to with view, we will have to pray this in the original language Jesus spoke in. Please clarify. Also wanted to add, there is nothing that says we have to pray in English so going to with view, we will have to pray this in the original language Jesus spoke in. Please clarify.

]]> By: Ben KC http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2010/02/03/february-3-2010/comment-page-2/#comment-14471 Ben KC Sun, 07 Feb 2010 07:12:08 +0000 http://lineoffireradio.askdrbrown.org/?p=2182#comment-14471 "About Matthew 6, it is clear that you are the one who is actually missing the point, once again………verse 9-13 is a command of HOW we should pray. AGAIN, nothing about any heavenly language or about repeating the same babble continuously, thinking you will be heard for your many words." Im going to HIGHLIGHT your own words: "AGAIN, nothing about any heavenly language." It sounds like you are saying if its not addressed in Matt 6, therefore its not considered prayer. How do you address these other prayers that dont sound like the prayer of Matt 6: * prayer for physical healing * fill you with the knowledge of his will through all spiritual wisdom and understanding * God may open a door for our message, so that we may proclaim the mystery of Christ * Night and day we pray most earnestly that we may see you again and supply what is lacking in your faith * ... pray for us that the message of the Lord may spread rapidly and be honored * I pray that you may be active in sharing your faith Please clarify “About Matthew 6, it is clear that you are the one who is actually missing the point, once again………verse 9-13 is a command of HOW we should pray. AGAIN, nothing about any heavenly language or about repeating the same babble continuously, thinking you will be heard for your many words.”

Im going to HIGHLIGHT your own words:

“AGAIN, nothing about any heavenly language.”

It sounds like you are saying if its not addressed in Matt 6, therefore its not considered prayer. How do you address these other prayers that dont sound like the prayer of Matt 6:

* prayer for physical healing
* fill you with the knowledge of his will through all spiritual wisdom and understanding
* God may open a door for our message, so that we may proclaim the mystery of Christ
* Night and day we pray most earnestly that we may see you again and supply what is lacking in your faith
* … pray for us that the message of the Lord may spread rapidly and be honored
* I pray that you may be active in sharing your faith

Please clarify

]]> By: Ben KC http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2010/02/03/february-3-2010/comment-page-2/#comment-14459 Ben KC Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:26:09 +0000 http://lineoffireradio.askdrbrown.org/?p=2182#comment-14459 Loris, Dr. Brown has read commentaries that also opposes what he believes. He doesnt just only read one side of things. I would encourage you to continue to discuss this topic. If not, I respect your decision. Loris,

Dr. Brown has read commentaries that also opposes what he believes. He doesnt just only read one side of things.

I would encourage you to continue to discuss this topic. If not, I respect your decision.

]]> By: Dr Michael L Brown http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2010/02/03/february-3-2010/comment-page-2/#comment-14456 Dr Michael L Brown Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:15:45 +0000 http://lineoffireradio.askdrbrown.org/?p=2182#comment-14456 Loris, Again, thanks for the gracious words, and again, keep studying and start with the works I referred to. Of course I've read plenty of books on the other side and I'm quite sure they are quite wrong on their position about tongues. So, do what I have done and study more and read the other side. I pray that a wonderful, deep, powerful, God -glorifying encounter with the Holy Spirit awaits you! Loris,

Again, thanks for the gracious words, and again, keep studying and start with the works I referred to. Of course I’ve read plenty of books on the other side and I’m quite sure they are quite wrong on their position about tongues. So, do what I have done and study more and read the other side. I pray that a wonderful, deep, powerful, God -glorifying encounter with the Holy Spirit awaits you!

]]> By: Loris http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2010/02/03/february-3-2010/comment-page-2/#comment-14446 Loris Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:04:05 +0000 http://lineoffireradio.askdrbrown.org/?p=2182#comment-14446 There are so many things I could say (and want to say), but I dont feel like they will go anywhere as you guys are clearly stuck on what you believe, regardless of what I or anyone says, I know you think I am also stuck on what I believe but from everything I have studied (and also from what I have read in this thread) I would have no reason to believe anything other than what I believe, which is what the Scriptures, (when looking at them in an unbias manner) clearly teach. Dr. Brown, I understand that you want me to read those commentaries but there are also many commentaries out there taking the opposite stance. Should I go out and read those too? As I said before, from studying Scripture, and by God's grace (and the Holy Spirit of course) this is the conclusion I have come to. As I said previously, you are a man I have a lot of respect for, and as I stated before, a man who is my favorite of all the Christian authors/evangelists/apologists. I hope there are no hard feelings.........There is so much I would like to say but I will instead not return to this thread (we can start another discussion in the tithing thread if you want :) jk) as whatever I say wont be viewed as having any meaning because I dont have a PHD, or because I haven't studied any commentaries (on both sides of the spectrum by the way) Thank you for your ministry and I pray and hope that you will continue to reach the homes of many through your radio show, and I hope that it can sow a seed in the hearts of many to come to the Lord. Take care and God bless you brother. There are so many things I could say (and want to say), but I dont feel like they will go anywhere as you guys are clearly stuck on what you believe, regardless of what I or anyone says, I know you think I am also stuck on what I believe but from everything I have studied (and also from what I have read in this thread) I would have no reason to believe anything other than what I believe, which is what the Scriptures, (when looking at them in an unbias manner) clearly teach.

Dr. Brown,

I understand that you want me to read those commentaries but there are also many commentaries out there taking the opposite stance. Should I go out and read those too? As I said before, from studying Scripture, and by God’s grace (and the Holy Spirit of course) this is the conclusion I have come to.

As I said previously, you are a man I have a lot of respect for, and as I stated before, a man who is my favorite of all the Christian authors/evangelists/apologists. I hope there are no hard feelings………There is so much I would like to say but I will instead not return to this thread (we can start another discussion in the tithing thread if you want :) jk) as whatever I say wont be viewed as having any meaning because I dont have a PHD, or because I haven’t studied any commentaries (on both sides of the spectrum by the way)

Thank you for your ministry and I pray and hope that you will continue to reach the homes of many through your radio show, and I hope that it can sow a seed in the hearts of many to come to the Lord.

Take care and God bless you brother.

]]> By: Ben KC http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2010/02/03/february-3-2010/comment-page-2/#comment-14445 Ben KC Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:02:27 +0000 http://lineoffireradio.askdrbrown.org/?p=2182#comment-14445 Also to add to Dr. Browns comment, there are many testimonies of people who never been to church, get saved, baptized with the Holy Spirit and prayed in tongues (not talking about the earthly language). They were not manipulated, nor trained, or placed in a setting to copy someone to pray in this manner. It was done supernaturally. The highlight is not about just praying in tongues but the fruit that is produced in their lives. Also to add to Dr. Browns comment, there are many testimonies of people who never been to church, get saved, baptized with the Holy Spirit and prayed in tongues (not talking about the earthly language). They were not manipulated, nor trained, or placed in a setting to copy someone to pray in this manner. It was done supernaturally. The highlight is not about just praying in tongues but the fruit that is produced in their lives.

]]> By: Ben KC http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2010/02/03/february-3-2010/comment-page-2/#comment-14442 Ben KC Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:33:41 +0000 http://lineoffireradio.askdrbrown.org/?p=2182#comment-14442 Just wanted to slip this is before I get back to it again later but you continue to highlight that praying in tongues is considered vain repetition which is not what Jesus is talking about. I continue to address that Jesus is not speaking against repetition. He speaks against vain repetition. How Jesus defines vain repetition is the motives behind the prayers that are done continuously. The example Jesus spoke about was “For they think that they will be heard for their many words.” If you continue to take Matt 6 against praying in tongues, you are misinterpreting Matt 6 and missing the heart behind it. You seem to sound like it has to be in this "systematic format" instead of seeing the heart behind Jesus' prayer. You know, you can pray the Matt 6 prayer and Jesus could tell us we are doing it in vain repetition? Why, because it could be done with impure motives. You can be a Monk in a small town praying the Matt 6 prayer in public just to be seen by men. Just wanted to slip this is before I get back to it again later but you continue to highlight that praying in tongues is considered vain repetition which is not what Jesus is talking about. I continue to address that Jesus is not speaking against repetition. He speaks against vain repetition. How Jesus defines vain repetition is the motives behind the prayers that are done continuously. The example Jesus spoke about was “For they think that they will be heard for their many words.”

If you continue to take Matt 6 against praying in tongues, you are misinterpreting Matt 6 and missing the heart behind it. You seem to sound like it has to be in this “systematic format” instead of seeing the heart behind Jesus’ prayer. You know, you can pray the Matt 6 prayer and Jesus could tell us we are doing it in vain repetition? Why, because it could be done with impure motives. You can be a Monk in a small town praying the Matt 6 prayer in public just to be seen by men.

]]> By: Dr Michael L Brown http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2010/02/03/february-3-2010/comment-page-2/#comment-14441 Dr Michael L Brown Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:23:35 +0000 http://lineoffireradio.askdrbrown.org/?p=2182#comment-14441 Loris, As you mentioned earlier, you're a very new believer, and I could introduce you to thousands of believers who have been wonderfully transformed in their walks with God since they were baptized in the Spirit and began to pray in tongues. And it has been a wonderful part of my prayer life for the last 38 years -- and I pray in tongues because it is 100% scriptural to do so and it edifies me in the Lord so I can pour myself out for others. So, as much as you're trying to teach others here in love, it would be great if you came in here to learn too. And, for the last time on this thread, I urge you to study some of the solid works I recommended by godly biblical scholars so you can see the error of your posts here. And of course, I say that in love too! :) Loris,

As you mentioned earlier, you’re a very new believer, and I could introduce you to thousands of believers who have been wonderfully transformed in their walks with God since they were baptized in the Spirit and began to pray in tongues. And it has been a wonderful part of my prayer life for the last 38 years — and I pray in tongues because it is 100% scriptural to do so and it edifies me in the Lord so I can pour myself out for others.

So, as much as you’re trying to teach others here in love, it would be great if you came in here to learn too. And, for the last time on this thread, I urge you to study some of the solid works I recommended by godly biblical scholars so you can see the error of your posts here.

And of course, I say that in love too! :)

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